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		<title>By: The failed metaphor of patents as property &#124; yalepatents.org</title>
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		<dc:creator>The failed metaphor of patents as property &#124; yalepatents.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 14:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for patents on complex biological drugs, much less patents on gene sequences or discoveries about basic biological systems.  When patent apologists claim that patents are essential for the drug industry, their enthusiasm [...]</description>
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		<title>By: jytdog</title>
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		<dc:creator>jytdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is unfortunate that folks feel the need to comment, while knowing nothing about how drugs are actually discovered and tested... and more importantly, about what it takes to even TRY to get resources to take an idea for a drug and TRY to make one -- an effort that even with a great deal of resources often fails.

If anything is a &quot;disgrace&quot; it is the combination of arrogance and ignorance in many of these comments. 

Some clarifications:

1)  I am unaware (and I study this) of ANY lawsuit brought against a university for infringing a patent in the course of doing basic research.  (OK there is one, in which a disgruntled professor sued a university he had left because he had created a HUGE machine that was very useful and that he used to earn piles of research money.  When he left on bad terms and went to another university, the first one refused to let him take the machine with him.  Turned out he somehow legitimately owned a patent on that machine and sued the university, and won.    See Duke v. Madey.    This situation is a far far cry from what some posters above think is happening -- this myth that university researchers are cowering in their offices while lawyers threaten them with lawsuits.)   University researchers doing research are willfully, blissfully ignorant of patents that might effect their work.  And so far no company wants the horrible PR that would result from changing that. 

2) If government money is used to make an invention at a university, the university MUST consider patenting and commercializing the invention, and if it does not, it must give the government the option to do so.   This is the Bayh-Dole Act, an economic development law passed in 1980 to try to boost American competitiveness in the global marketplace.   So the poster who made the statement that if there is government funding, the invention should be somehow &quot;freely available&quot;, is simply ignorant.

3)  Universities exist to generate and propagate knowledge.   They do that by teaching, doing research, writing books and articles, and for land grant universities, county extension offices.    But they also do it by seeking to have inventions made in their labs, developed into products.   New medical devices, drugs, and diagnostic tests based on university research are good things that serve the public good.

America is a capitalist country, for anyone who forgot that.    This means two things:
a) these new products -- like every other product -- are made available to the public via the marketplace.  Yes, you have to buy them.   Is there other stuff in America that you get for free?  Think, people!  (note, you have to buy the other ways to access university research -- you have to buy books and journals in which the research is made public, and a university education is not free either!)

b) Medical products in particular are very expensive and risky to develop.   For a new drug, $200million (that is every step goes perfect;  the average, counting failures, is $850 million!) over about 15 years.   That is from Day 1 until you start actually selling a product.   The government of America does NOT invest money in drug development (with some small small exceptions).  Nope, this money comes from the private sector. Now  no sane human being is going to make that kind of investment unless there is a chance to make a ton of money at the end.   So when they  examine the investment opportunity, what do they look for?  You got it -- whether there is (or is potential for) broad patent protection available around the idea for the drug.   No patent protection, no investment...NO DRUG. 


c) Once the drug is brought to market, the public can benefit from it.   Now initially, there is a limited time during which the people who have taken risk - who have paid for all the development, can get their money back and more.  (again, this is capitalism, and the investors made the investment EXACTLY for that purpose.).   So new drugs are expensive.  For a while.   Then the patent expires and the drug becomes generic.     And then the public can continue to benefit, just more cheaply now.   


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OK I wrote too much. 

But please people, stop reacting to stuff before you understand what is going on!!    Ask questions!!  THINK! 

The combination of ignorance and passion is the most dangerous thing in the world.</description>
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<p>If anything is a &#8220;disgrace&#8221; it is the combination of arrogance and ignorance in many of these comments. </p>
<p>Some clarifications:</p>
<p>1)  I am unaware (and I study this) of ANY lawsuit brought against a university for infringing a patent in the course of doing basic research.  (OK there is one, in which a disgruntled professor sued a university he had left because he had created a HUGE machine that was very useful and that he used to earn piles of research money.  When he left on bad terms and went to another university, the first one refused to let him take the machine with him.  Turned out he somehow legitimately owned a patent on that machine and sued the university, and won.    See Duke v. Madey.    This situation is a far far cry from what some posters above think is happening &#8212; this myth that university researchers are cowering in their offices while lawyers threaten them with lawsuits.)   University researchers doing research are willfully, blissfully ignorant of patents that might effect their work.  And so far no company wants the horrible PR that would result from changing that. </p>
<p>2) If government money is used to make an invention at a university, the university MUST consider patenting and commercializing the invention, and if it does not, it must give the government the option to do so.   This is the Bayh-Dole Act, an economic development law passed in 1980 to try to boost American competitiveness in the global marketplace.   So the poster who made the statement that if there is government funding, the invention should be somehow &#8220;freely available&#8221;, is simply ignorant.</p>
<p>3)  Universities exist to generate and propagate knowledge.   They do that by teaching, doing research, writing books and articles, and for land grant universities, county extension offices.    But they also do it by seeking to have inventions made in their labs, developed into products.   New medical devices, drugs, and diagnostic tests based on university research are good things that serve the public good.</p>
<p>America is a capitalist country, for anyone who forgot that.    This means two things:<br />
a) these new products &#8212; like every other product &#8212; are made available to the public via the marketplace.  Yes, you have to buy them.   Is there other stuff in America that you get for free?  Think, people!  (note, you have to buy the other ways to access university research &#8212; you have to buy books and journals in which the research is made public, and a university education is not free either!)</p>
<p>b) Medical products in particular are very expensive and risky to develop.   For a new drug, $200million (that is every step goes perfect;  the average, counting failures, is $850 million!) over about 15 years.   That is from Day 1 until you start actually selling a product.   The government of America does NOT invest money in drug development (with some small small exceptions).  Nope, this money comes from the private sector. Now  no sane human being is going to make that kind of investment unless there is a chance to make a ton of money at the end.   So when they  examine the investment opportunity, what do they look for?  You got it &#8212; whether there is (or is potential for) broad patent protection available around the idea for the drug.   No patent protection, no investment&#8230;NO DRUG. </p>
<p>c) Once the drug is brought to market, the public can benefit from it.   Now initially, there is a limited time during which the people who have taken risk &#8211; who have paid for all the development, can get their money back and more.  (again, this is capitalism, and the investors made the investment EXACTLY for that purpose.).   So new drugs are expensive.  For a while.   Then the patent expires and the drug becomes generic.     And then the public can continue to benefit, just more cheaply now.   </p>
<p>==</p>
<p>OK I wrote too much. </p>
<p>But please people, stop reacting to stuff before you understand what is going on!!    Ask questions!!  THINK! </p>
<p>The combination of ignorance and passion is the most dangerous thing in the world.</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2009-10-08 at So It&#8217;s Come To This:</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 05:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Nobel chemistry work patented by Yale and others &#124; yalepatents.org (tags: ping.fm) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Is it noble to patent a Nobel winning research? &#171; Computer Ethics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Is it noble to patent a Nobel winning research? &#171; Computer Ethics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 17:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What do you think about this story? http://yalepatents.org/2009/10/07/nobel-chemistry-work-patented-by-yale-and-others/ [...]</description>
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		<title>By: rjk</title>
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		<dc:creator>rjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a disgrace.</description>
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		<title>By: Curious</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 13:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m curious as to how scientific minds who do this research can be so blindsided by greed. Science is about benefiting the community not your own pockets, sure money has to fund these discoveries but putting patents on mother nature and the very things that future research could be used to help save lives just so someone can have a few extra dollars is disgusting. Science should be about working together for a greater tomorrow not a larger wallet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curious as to how scientific minds who do this research can be so blindsided by greed. Science is about benefiting the community not your own pockets, sure money has to fund these discoveries but putting patents on mother nature and the very things that future research could be used to help save lives just so someone can have a few extra dollars is disgusting. Science should be about working together for a greater tomorrow not a larger wallet.</p>
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention Nobel chemistry work patented by Yale and others &#124; yalepatents.org -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Iddo Friedberg and Josef Schugt. Josef Schugt said: Nobel chemistry work patented by Yale and others - http://bit.ly/1bBDSv (patent rampage) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hanspeter: as any patent lawyer will tell you, what matters in a patent are the claims, and if you check out the claims for #6,638,908 you&#039;ll see that actually it&#039;s not about patenting &#039;a method and system with which one can acquire high quality protein crystals&#039;, it&#039;s about patenting the crystals themselves (every single claim says &quot;A or the crystal ...&quot;).  #7,504,486 is the one I think you are referring to: it is much narrower than #6,638,908, as the claims in it only cover their crystallization method.  AFAICS #6,638,908 has got every type and size of crystal that you are likely to want to use covered, including the 60S and 50S subunits, with ribosomes from all prokaryotes, eukaryotes &amp; archaebacteria (i.e. everything!), with a sole exception for twinned crystals - you are welcome to work on those if you want!  So #6,638,908 indeed doesn&#039;t patent the structure (e.g. it doesn&#039;t stop you from doing modelling using their structures), but AFAICS it does stop you using any crystals of any kind of ribosome that are remotely useful for further research.  I&#039;m not clear what &#039;other methods&#039; you are referring to: do you mean non-crystallographic methods, as I think they would have to be if you are prevented from using crystals?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hanspeter: as any patent lawyer will tell you, what matters in a patent are the claims, and if you check out the claims for #6,638,908 you&#8217;ll see that actually it&#8217;s not about patenting &#8216;a method and system with which one can acquire high quality protein crystals&#8217;, it&#8217;s about patenting the crystals themselves (every single claim says &#8220;A or the crystal &#8230;&#8221;).  #7,504,486 is the one I think you are referring to: it is much narrower than #6,638,908, as the claims in it only cover their crystallization method.  AFAICS #6,638,908 has got every type and size of crystal that you are likely to want to use covered, including the 60S and 50S subunits, with ribosomes from all prokaryotes, eukaryotes &amp; archaebacteria (i.e. everything!), with a sole exception for twinned crystals &#8211; you are welcome to work on those if you want!  So #6,638,908 indeed doesn&#8217;t patent the structure (e.g. it doesn&#8217;t stop you from doing modelling using their structures), but AFAICS it does stop you using any crystals of any kind of ribosome that are remotely useful for further research.  I&#8217;m not clear what &#8216;other methods&#8217; you are referring to: do you mean non-crystallographic methods, as I think they would have to be if you are prevented from using crystals?</p>
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		<title>By: Basic Building Blocks Of Life Patented&#8230; But Wins A Nobel Prize &#124; PHP Hosts</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 10:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] but Franklin&#8217;s concern is that not only did these researchers get a Nobel Prize for it, they got a patent as well:  The patent holders and licensees surely believe that these products will be life-saving, and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] but Franklin&#8217;s concern is that not only did these researchers get a Nobel Prize for it, they got a patent as well:  The patent holders and licensees surely believe that these products will be life-saving, and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Juan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 06:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wrong again, you got confused with patents, trademarks and copyright. What you are referring to it&#039;s copyrights, that&#039;s what last almost a century after the author dies and this cover things like books and music, patents expire after 20 years and apply (or should apply) to machinery or the transformation of substances, and trademarks are mean to be a symbol that identifies the producer of a product and it doesn&#039;t expire as long as it renewed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrong again, you got confused with patents, trademarks and copyright. What you are referring to it&#8217;s copyrights, that&#8217;s what last almost a century after the author dies and this cover things like books and music, patents expire after 20 years and apply (or should apply) to machinery or the transformation of substances, and trademarks are mean to be a symbol that identifies the producer of a product and it doesn&#8217;t expire as long as it renewed.</p>
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